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Message started by 77vette on Apr 2nd, 2013 at 3:07pm

Title: Steering issues
Post by 77vette on Apr 2nd, 2013 at 3:07pm
After messing with the power steering again this spring, I have decided to proceed with a rack and pinion set up. I did some research on line and found a couple of them.
My questions are they truly a bolt in system?
Whats the difference between steeriods and the system VBP sells?
Ron

Title: Re: Steering issues
Post by basketcase on Apr 2nd, 2013 at 4:06pm
I had the steeroids system  Yes it really is a bolt on system, after you remove the old hardware.  Everything needed was provided.  I really liked it, but it wouldnt fit around my 1 7/8" headers / sidepipes.

[smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif]

Title: Re: Steering issues
Post by 77vette on Apr 2nd, 2013 at 5:45pm
Thanks, read some other comments on different sites that claimed the brackets would flex and the oil pan would get in the way, not sure if they were running an after market pan. I am just getting tired of dealing with the leaks from the original system, replaced all the parts about two or three years ago and I'm starting to see leaking out of the cylinder, again.
ron

Title: Re: Steering issues
Post by Knotacare on Apr 3rd, 2013 at 4:29am
The Steeroids from Speed Direct are very good & work well. Takes some getting used too as it's very quick. I went to a 3-1 system vs the 2.5-1 and replaced the ujoint linkage from the steering column to the rack on the 73.  You will have to play with the linkage to get it right sometime, but other than that it's a easy install. You can also go with manual steering. I have this on my 68 & I actually enjoy driving this car over the power steering cars ..you get a much better feel for the road.  On the 67 Dodge I took off the power steering & went to manual & it handles much better :)
Alan [smiley=beer.gif]

Title: Re: Steering issues
Post by basketcase on Apr 3rd, 2013 at 8:23am
I have heard about the flexing issues, but iif it was happening on mine, I was not aware of it.

Title: Re: Steering issues
Post by 77vette on Apr 3rd, 2013 at 4:17pm
Thanks for the information, now all I have to do is make a decision and wait for free shipping. Since my wife is on board the hard part is completed  ;D.

Ron

Title: Re: Steering issues
Post by olddiver on Apr 8th, 2013 at 4:20am
Ron
When your wife is onboard :D the rest of the way is easy :) hang on to her ;D ;D ;D
....Mark

Title: Re: Steering issues
Post by 77vette on Apr 8th, 2013 at 4:28am
I will, been married 28 years now. At my age I don't have the energy to break in another one  [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] .

Title: Re: Steering issues
Post by olddiver on Apr 8th, 2013 at 4:39am
Ron
Congrats on your 28 years :) hope you are blessed with many more :D
....Mark

Title: Re: Steering issues
Post by blue 77 on Apr 8th, 2013 at 5:49am

77vette wrote on Apr 8th, 2013 at 4:28am:
I will, been married 28 years now. At my age I don't have the energy to break in another one  [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] .

Congratulations on the 28 years Ron.  Hope you have at least another 28 happy years together.  Really hard to find the one you can "train like you want them". ;D ;D ;D

Dale

Title: Re: Steering issues
Post by Knotacare on Apr 8th, 2013 at 6:57am
"Really hard to find the one you can "train like you want them".   

I think you have that backwards :-?

Congrads Ron..I'm getting close to 50 &
I've learned everything very well ::)
Alan [smiley=beer.gif]

Title: Re: Steering issues
Post by TX 73 stock on Apr 8th, 2013 at 7:41am
Tell me about it. I'll hit 25 years in June and have been married over half my life. I had good luck rebuilding my stock steering and once I bought new lines, I haven't seen a drip knock on wood. It would be nicer if the steering were a bit more stable so good move on the upgrade.

Charlie

Title: Re: Steering issues
Post by 77vette on May 22nd, 2013 at 4:49pm
Well new bushings and ball joints arrived today and the Rack & Pinion should be here in a couple of days. Any advice before I begin this weekend?

Ron

Title: Re: Steering issues
Post by Knotacare on May 23rd, 2013 at 4:16am
The bushings & ball joints are pretty standard remove & replace. The rack & pinion is another thing. Pay very close attention on how you set it up. Be very precise & get it aligned by a good alignment shop after the install. The specs are different for R&P. I also saftey wired the bolts on the rack as they tend to work loose & these company's have not addressed the problem correctly. Good luck & keep us posed on your progress :)
Alan [smiley=beer.gif]

Title: Re: Steering issues
Post by TX 73 gone on May 23rd, 2013 at 12:05pm
If you have any engine degreaser, I'd spray the bottom of the car in that area real good and blast it off so it's nice and clean. just makes it lits easier if you aren't covered and grime. I used to never use gloves but started using 6 mil gloves from harbor freight. they are thin enough you can still pick up small parts and are thick enough to last all day. I got 50 pairs for 8 bucks and use them for everything,

Charlie

Title: Re: Steering issues
Post by 77vette on May 23rd, 2013 at 5:16pm
Alan and Charlie,
Thanks for the input. I am going to trailer it to the alignment shop about 60 miles away, they do a lot of vettes. Like the idea for using wire, would of never of thought of that. As for the gloves..I have the ones left over from the doors and trim I had to stain so I could knock some of the items off my Honey do List before I was allowed to get started  ;D

Ron

Title: Re: Steering issues
Post by blue 77 on May 24th, 2013 at 5:41am
Good luck, Ron.  A GOOD alignment shop with Corvette experience is a MUST.

Dale

Title: Re: Steering issues
Post by TX 73 gone on May 24th, 2013 at 12:58pm
I took mine to Firestone cause I was broke and had a credit card there. I brought them the specs from VBP and they said they could not use them, had to use what was in the database. when I got the car back it was worse than the way I did by hand. brought it back and the guy said thier 19yr alignment veteran did it. so, I had him adjust it again and it still wasn't perfect. There is a place 2 stores down that I was going to bring it to and they welcomed the specs from VBP. Oh well, I tried. someone elses problem now. I did give him the warranty and hopefully the firestone in his area knows what they are doing.

Good luck,
Charlie

Title: Re: Steering issues
Post by 77vette on May 28th, 2013 at 4:07pm
Removed the upper and lower control arms this weekend, doing one side at a time, noticed there were no alignment shims on the driverside, is this common? Also thin I found out why the tire rubbed when making a sharp left turn, lower ball joint and and tie rod ends were bad. Hoping to get bushings replaced and re-installed this weekend.

Ron 

Title: Re: Steering issues
Post by blue 77 on May 29th, 2013 at 6:27am

77vette wrote on May 28th, 2013 at 4:07pm:
no alignment shims on the driverside, is this common?

Wouldn't call it common, but I have seen it sometimes.  Good luck on the control arms.  Just my opinion but if the left side ball joint and tie rod are bad I would replace the right side at the same time as well.

Dale

Title: Re: Steering issues
Post by TX 73 gone on May 29th, 2013 at 9:22am
I'd bet your upper control arm bushings are about to take a dump soon too if they haven't been replaced. When I bought my Vette, they seemed fine but that's because the car sat for a while and since they were dry rotted, once I started driving it, they soon fell apart. the driver side upper was in bad shape.  Jack the front off the ground and see if there's any movement when you push on the top of the car. this caused my front wheels to runb on the frame when I made a sharp turn. If it's just the ball joints, I'd still buy a complete kit minus the bushings. that part of the rebuild is fairly easy. taking the control arms is the hard part. especially the springs.

Good Luck,
Charlie

Title: Re: Steering issues
Post by 77vette on May 29th, 2013 at 3:56pm
I figured while I was add it I was going to replace all the bushings and ball joints while I was at it. Have the drivers torn down and everything cleaned up, dropping off the A-Arms to have bushings replaced tomorrow. Big brown truck dropped the rack and pinion off today.  :)

Ron

Title: Re: Steering issues
Post by TX 73 gone on May 30th, 2013 at 6:09am
sounds food Ron. It's a pretty good sized task to remove everything, clean it and put it all back together but it's a good feeling knowing it's all new parts. I was fortunate to have access to a bead blaster so that helped to get everything clean. then I put about 10 coats of enamel on everything to make sure it was good and covered.

Charlie

Title: Re: Steering issues
Post by blue 77 on May 30th, 2013 at 12:23pm
Fantastic Ron.  You will certainly notice improvement in the handling once you get all those parts replaced. ;)

Dale

Title: Re: Steering issues
Post by 77vette on May 30th, 2013 at 5:03pm
Dale,
I hope so getting excited for the cruise season, been raining for about a month. I won't complain since we hardly had any rain last year.
Charlie,
As I was taking everything apart I realized there were more components than I realized. Good thing you guys are around in case I run into trouble.

Ron

Title: Re: Steering issues
Post by 77vette on Jun 8th, 2013 at 5:08pm
Okay, have a question, there are three bolts that hold the brake splash shield to the spindle and tie rod linkage. Was wondering what the torque specks were for these three bolts. I have search through the manuals and can't seems to find anything. Thanks in advance.

Ron

Title: Re: Steering issues
Post by Artsvettes on Jun 9th, 2013 at 8:33am
I know it's out there on the web with all the torque spec. for the C-3 But I don't remember where. The spec you are looking for is
Top bolt 120ft.lb.
Two lower 85ft.lb...........jack

Title: Re: Steering issues
Post by 77vette on Jun 9th, 2013 at 9:58am
Thanks. I did find some information that said 80 top and 75 Lower, did not sound right.

Ron

Title: Re: Steering issues
Post by Artsvettes on Jun 9th, 2013 at 1:39pm
Some of the tq. spec won't be found in the corvette assembly manuals they sell. A for instance is the one you are working on. The hub, rotor, and knuckle assembly came already built to the assembly plant. So you would only find the spec for the upper and lower ball joint and tie rod end. The other spec would be found in the GM service manual................jack

Title: Re: Steering issues
Post by TX 73 gone on Jun 10th, 2013 at 6:38am
I used the specs from VB&P. click on the link and scroll down to specs and it has everything ( do not click on the C3 link it's below that ), You'll have to download the PDF.

http://www.vbandp.com/component/docman/cat_view/38-corvette-instructions.html?Itemid=170

Charlie

Title: Re: Steering issues
Post by Artsvettes on Jun 10th, 2013 at 10:17am

wrote on Jun 10th, 2013 at 6:38am:
I used the specs from VB&P. click on the link and scroll down to specs and it has everything ( do not click on the C3 link it's below that ), You'll have to download the PDF.

http://www.vbandp.com/component/docman/cat_view/38-corvette-instructions.html?Itemid=170

Charlie


That still doesn't have the top bolt listed only the two lower..........jack

Title: Re: Steering issues
Post by TX 73 gone on Jun 10th, 2013 at 2:22pm
Oh, you know what, I thought about removing that but couldn't get enough leverage with it off the car so I left them on. Oh well, one of those wonders I guess. I'd imagine if the bolt head is the same than the torque spec should be about the same as the others.

Charlie

Title: Re: Steering issues
Post by 77vette on Jun 10th, 2013 at 4:02pm
Down loaded and saved the torque setting page for future reference. Got the driver side all put back together and passenger side removed. The coil spring was a pain to re-install but finally got it.
Cleaned all the parts today and found a green tag on the coil spring, not sure what it said but I kept it. Now waiting for the upper and lower control arms to have new bushings pressed in, hope it does not take as long as the first ones did.

Ron

Title: Re: Steering issues
Post by Artsvettes on Jun 11th, 2013 at 4:02am
The green tag was for the assembly plant to identify the spring. It had a part number and a code. The tag would normally be facing outside toward the wheel so the inspector could read it after it was installed.................jack

Title: Re: Steering issues
Post by blue 77 on Jun 11th, 2013 at 12:50pm

Artsvettes wrote on Jun 11th, 2013 at 4:02am:
The green tag was for the assembly plant to identify the spring. It had a part number and a code. The tag would normally be facing outside toward the wheel so the inspector could read it after it was installed.................jack

So Jack does that mean Ron's springs were O.E.?

Dale

Title: Re: Steering issues
Post by 77vette on Jun 11th, 2013 at 6:06pm
At this pace I might drop the fuel tank after I am done with front suspension, maybe the build sheet will still be there or pieces of it anyway  :)

Ron

Title: Re: Steering issues
Post by Knotacare on Jun 12th, 2013 at 4:12am
[quote author=30202D352F232C420 link=1364941552/35#35 date=1371000291]At this pace I might drop the fuel tank after I am done with front suspension, maybe the build sheet will still be there or pieces of it anyway  :)

Good idea, it's always good to check & replace fuel fittings & lines if needed. No use going to all this trouble & have your hard work burned to the ground. One of the first things I always do is inspect the full fuel system in any car I acquire & the breaks.
Alan [smiley=beer.gif]

Title: Re: Steering issues
Post by Artsvettes on Jun 12th, 2013 at 4:39am

wrote on Jun 11th, 2013 at 12:50pm:

Artsvettes wrote on Jun 11th, 2013 at 4:02am:
The green tag was for the assembly plant to identify the spring. It had a part number and a code. The tag would normally be facing outside toward the wheel so the inspector could read it after it was installed.................jack

So Jack does that mean Ron's springs were O.E.?

Dale


Yes dale they are OE................jack

Title: Re: Steering issues
Post by blue 77 on Jun 12th, 2013 at 5:18am

Artsvettes wrote on Jun 12th, 2013 at 4:39am:

wrote on Jun 11th, 2013 at 12:50pm:

Artsvettes wrote on Jun 11th, 2013 at 4:02am:
The green tag was for the assembly plant to identify the spring. It had a part number and a code. The tag would normally be facing outside toward the wheel so the inspector could read it after it was installed.................jack

So Jack does that mean Ron's springs were O.E.?

Dale


Yes dale they are OE................jack

So I should be able to find a tag on mine?

Dale

Title: Re: Steering issues
Post by Knotacare on Jun 12th, 2013 at 5:58am
My 77 still has the tags outside on the left side inside on the rt side :) Don't know the color because they are so dirty.
Alan [smiley=beer.gif]

Title: Re: Steering issues
Post by Artsvettes on Jun 12th, 2013 at 12:30pm
  Yes Dale you should. Those tags held up a lot. I had a set of springs that were heavily rusted and pitted but the tags were still intact. Under the tag the metal was like brand new.......jack

Title: Re: Steering issues
Post by 77vette on Jun 27th, 2013 at 4:27am
Well I finally get a weekend off so now back to work on the front suspension. While looking at the parts left I realized I did not make any notes on the sway bar, does the bend for the links go up or down? I am hoping that I can get it all put together and to the alignment shop next week.

Title: Re: Steering issues
Post by Knotacare on Jun 27th, 2013 at 6:14am
They go up
Alan [smiley=beer.gif]

Title: Re: Steering issues
Post by 77vette on Jun 27th, 2013 at 3:45pm
Thanks.

Title: Re: Steering issues
Post by olddiver on Jun 27th, 2013 at 3:49pm
Ron
The one thing I did right when taking the front end apart on mine was to take photos :) this has helped in more ways then one ;) Hope you get it back on the road ASAP 8-) I'm a little concerned about finding a good alignment shop after installing my rack set-up ( Speed Direct ) making some calls now ;) good luck 8-)
.... Mark

Title: Re: Steering issues
Post by 77vette on Jun 27th, 2013 at 6:47pm
I took a lot of pictures, none show the angle of the sway bar, guess I better check it out before I do the next project. There is a corvette shop about 60 miles or so from here. I plan on putting it on a trailer and hauling it to them to get the front aligned.

Ron

Title: Re: Steering issues
Post by Knotacare on Jun 28th, 2013 at 4:04am
Just make sure they use the spec's from speed direct & if the steering doesn't come back to center add a bit of toe in.
Alan [smiley=beer.gif]

Title: Re: Steering issues
Post by seventyate on Jun 29th, 2013 at 4:50am
Ron, like Mark has said take photo's.  Now a days with these digital cameras it's so easy and costs you nothing but saves you in guessing.  I take pictures of things I need to buy with the phone and have them with me. I hate it when I get to a counter and get asked questions I have no answers for and have to go back home.  The only thing I don't like is when I take a picture and get asked " are you sure that is what you have" no buddy I went down the street and took a picture of my neighbors.

Ed

Title: Re: Steering issues
Post by olddiver on Jun 29th, 2013 at 10:21am
Ed
Know what you mean. Purchased a full exhaust system and the salesman told me my car did not come with an O2 censor when Indeed it did :-? And this was from one of the major Vette parts stores :-/
....Mark

Title: Re: Steering issues
Post by 77vette on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:17pm
Well the rack and pinion is installed with all new bushing and ball joints. Decided to replace the front calipers while I was at it since the rear are new and the passenger front had a leak. Thought I was moving along at a decent pace until I went to replace the light switch that went bad a while back, when I went to put the new one in it was the wrong one ( no vacuum hook up)   :( . Thought I would just replace the to piece with the old one when the tab broke, guess I will just order one, another delay  :( .

Ron

Title: Re: Steering issues
Post by 77vette on Jul 2nd, 2013 at 6:24pm
Well, the vette gets loaded in the morning for a trip to the alignment shop; new tires and headlight switch ordered on Sunday. finally starting to come together  :).

Ron

Title: Re: Steering issues
Post by olddiver on Jul 2nd, 2013 at 9:00pm
Ron,
Sounds good! Hope the shop does a good job and your out in a short time :) my rack system should be in next week :D the engines out so I'm thinking an easy job, rats :-Xshould not of said that :P keep us up to date!
....Mark

Title: Re: Steering issues
Post by 77vette on Jul 3rd, 2013 at 3:58pm
Dropped off the vette this morning and told them to give me a call when they were done as they had two others waiting for the alignment rack. Picked it up at 3:00 today, got to say its one of the best upgrades I have done to it so far. It was a great ride home, took the long way  :).
Thanks for all the help.

Ron

Title: Re: Steering issues
Post by olddiver on Jul 3rd, 2013 at 9:44pm
Great news! The long way home says it all ;)
....Mark

Title: Re: Steering issues
Post by Knotacare on Jul 4th, 2013 at 7:23am
Glad it all worked out Ron :)
Alan [smiley=beer.gif]

Title: Re: Steering issues
Post by Tex51 on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 4:31pm
you just need to learn two words (yes dear)  ;D and every thing else works out.

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