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Message started by ve77er on Aug 4th, 2016 at 3:24am

Title: Project '64
Post by ve77er on Aug 4th, 2016 at 3:24am
Kim's Boss owns an 1964 riverside red white vinyl interior 4 wheel drum (power) brakes convertible 327/300 horse 2 speed powerglide transmission a fairly moderate optioned car for it's day, he had the car shipped 3 years ago to his son Dan in California who is USMC stationed at Miramar MCAS (Marine Corp Air Station) at San Diego anyway, Dan is being deployed so Joe had the car shipped back east and he shipped it to me I've done some work on the car about 20 years ago so, it arrived on Tuesday evening and he was there with me as they unloaded from the open air flatbed carrier needless to say, after 3500 miles and weather (this time of year) the Corvette was not looking too happy yesterday I went over the car initially after a thorough cleaning of the road grime and interior the car had been in storage the past 6 months while Dan was in training, it's going to need a complete interior carpets are shot seat covers torn door panels barely hanging on, I fixed a couple of small things yesterday the vent window crank was just laying on the floor needed a "c" clip, the glove box door was missing the Corvette script which was in the glove box I applied some adhesive lined up the guide pins and attached the script to the door, the Driver's window does not lower or raise and here's the most interesting part, it (glass) was just sitting on top of the regulator upper track in the groove and the groove for the vent window how this piece of glass made it across the country without falling out is anybody's guess. I'm going to remove the door panel and check the condition of the regulator and tracks/rollers (thinking it may need a new one here) the convertible top is in decent shape as I had replaced that for Joe about 8 years ago however while in storage a mouse made a small about 1/16" hole behind one of the bows, I need to research and see if the canvas can be patched or if he is looking at another top, and after vacation I will raise the car up on the "quick jack" lift and pull all four wheels, Dan said it is loosing Brake fluid so I'm going to check each wheel cylinder for condition, as the custodial keeper I can see a shake down run and numerous test drives in the near future it's good to get turning a wrench on a Corvette after all these years and It's something I do enjoy plus I'm keeping a log of hours worked, parts purchased, labor time ect. ect. so this is like a part time job (even if it's really a hobby) getting paid to play--my kind of job!
...........................Chris [smiley=beer.gif]

Title: Re: Project '64
Post by 68-73-77 on Aug 4th, 2016 at 4:38am
Good luck & have fun 8-)
Alan [smiley=beer.gif]

Title: Re: Project '64
Post by 69Shark on Aug 4th, 2016 at 12:04pm
WHAT?
No pictures??

LOL!

Have fun Chris! What a kick in the pants!!

Scott

Title: Re: Project '64
Post by olddiver on Aug 13th, 2016 at 4:12pm
WOW! Enjoy and post some pics.  :D :D
....Mark

Title: Re: Project '64
Post by ve77er on Sep 1st, 2016 at 8:52pm
got her fired up (after we returned from vacation) ran pretty rough but, I suspect that is from sitting so long the fuel tank is low and probably never received a stabilizer additive, I took it around the block (after topping of the transmission) it ran pretty good shifted smooth but the tires are shot! squirrely would be one way to describe the handling so, that's on the list now as well. I am documenting every minute spent going over and fixing things on this car, Joe told me at one time while in California Dan was offered 50K for the car, given it's current state and list of things needed, I'd say he was foolish for not taking the offer. anyway, I have custody of the car for now and I will give it my best shot at making it safe to drive, it's too far gone to ever make a show piece or be a NCRS "top flight"
contender, it is a "survivor" class at this point and the lack of proper care over the past few years is evident, more to follow.
.................Chris [smiley=beer.gif]   

Title: Re: Project '64
Post by ve77er on Sep 12th, 2016 at 9:10pm
the more I go over the car the more things wrong appear, this car has not been taken care of at all, depressing to see what was a decent driver deteriorate into a project car but that is what we have here I can't/don't want to go too deep into tearing things apart rather, I'm going to try to undo the years of neglect to get it back in good enough shape to enjoy. Kim's Boss (Joe) had expressed other ideas but I told him he would sink 100K into a car that at best would only be worth 45 so, he is mulling that over I've already put out a few dollars of my own getting the car running I'm stopping here until he makes up his mind, in the meanwhile, the car needs tires needs to be titled and registered so it's legal to drive, I have to pull the wheels and inspect the brakes but again, I'm not going to be "free" labor so for now, I'm sitting on a car taking up garage space hoping this lack of progress will inspire the wife to talk to him and see what his plans truly are. I went over the car, gave him a complete breakdown on things needed (didn't touch the chassis or drivetrain......yet) and he has not responded. I've told Alan how I feel about this guy, so Alan knows I owe this guy no loyalty (as my wife seems to think she does) he has in the past used and abused our patience and good nature and you know what they say about a leopard and his spots so, if the car sits, it sits!
..................Chris  [smiley=beer.gif]

Title: Re: Project '64
Post by 68-73-77 on Sep 13th, 2016 at 4:16am
Get the money in the bank first before you do anything in fact I would have a few thousand buffer at all times. Factor in your labor too. 8-)
Alan [smiley=beer.gif]

Title: Re: Project '64
Post by 69Shark on Sep 19th, 2016 at 10:52am
Sad that a beautiful car is not loved as it could be!

Scott

Title: Re: Project '64
Post by ve77er on Oct 3rd, 2016 at 9:12pm
well, he paid for and I got the tires from Tire rack had them shipped to my house a local gas station charged 81.00 for mounting, balancing and disposing of the old tires so it's got new shoes but it needs brakes, no dash or tail lights work, driver's window regulator works but you have to manipulate the widow to get full travel looks like a broken guide track from what I can see without pulling the door panel. it has to get inspected and I'm just going to take it to the garage and let them go over the car fail it and give me a list of what it needs and I can pass that information on to the owner like I said the car was not cared for while in California and he should have taken the offer of 50K! so again my assessment of he could easily sink 100K into this car is not too far fetched!
......................Chris  [smiley=beer.gif] 

Title: Re: Project '64
Post by 68-73-77 on Oct 4th, 2016 at 4:39am
You think he would be interested in a disc break conversion kit?  Sure would make a better driver & much safer car.
Alan [smiley=beer.gif]

Title: Re: Project '64
Post by ve77er on Oct 5th, 2016 at 4:02am
Alan, well if I owned this particular car, given what it is (survivor)I would make it NCRS (NOT CORRECTLY RESTORED STINGRAY) and do just that for the value of the car roughly 35-40K an outlay of 4-5K for complete 4 wheel disc brakes would certainly make it a better driver! all I can do is make suggestions!
......................Chris  [smiley=beer.gif]

Title: Re: Project '64
Post by ve77er on Oct 6th, 2016 at 8:41pm
took the car for a safety inspection and to get a sticker so it would be totally legal to drive as I was afraid, the car failed miserably due to sooo many suspension bushing issues, both upper and lower control arms, 3 of the 4 ball joints, tie rods, rear trailing arm (left side) both rear strut rods, the fuel pump gasket is blown and there is a leak and he said there was a leak in the gas tank I don't think so as the car is parked IN the garage and we have no fumes or stains on the concrete- in this case what I think happened is I filled the car up and some probably sloshed around and bled out through the cap, probably just the filler neck gasket, the shop's total was just over 3K everything, I could probably do it for half that amount but I'd buy 4 ball joints (might as well since it's apart) and address both trailing arms. I gave the owner the run down and what it needs so, it's up to him if he wants me to do it, it'll take sometime as I have yet to see him put out any $$$ (other than the tires) and, everything looks to be original which means some of these rubber bushings are 52 years old!!! I just wonder sometimes how people let a car like this get this bad! I'm sure there's more to follow and, this doesn't address the window regulator or/and the interior. like they always say, if you want to play, you've got to pay!
.......................Chris  [smiley=beer.gif]

Title: Re: Project '64
Post by ve77er on Jan 26th, 2017 at 2:20am
hard to believe my last post on this was October 6th and here we are almost in February and the car is unchanged, it still needs a complete repair of the front and rear suspensions, a new interior and some work on the left driver's window track and Passenger's vent window. I don't know what the car's owner wants to do or expects from me (not that I can do much after the surgery) but, I'm not putting any more into it time, Money, or effort until he has some working capital for me to draw on. I have taken it for some runs around the neighborhood to keep things rolling but that's it.
................Chris  [smiley=beer.gif]
p.s. wondering if I should tack on storage fees as he is tying up my garage???

Title: Re: Project '64
Post by 68-73-77 on Jan 26th, 2017 at 5:02am
Look up the local storage fees in your area, send him a letter informing him that storage fees will commence starting Fed 1, 2017 & you expect payment monthly and mention late fees.  If you're wondering about this ask your mortgage co if they would mind if you lived in your home for free. Remember Chris business is business & don't get it confused with friendship.
Alan [smiley=beer.gif]

Title: Re: Project '64
Post by ve77er on May 7th, 2017 at 11:57pm
I'm done trying to get involved with this car Alan you're right Business IS Business after the pace-maker Kim and I decided to just let Joe get the car repaired at a shop of his choice, so, I took it for yet another estimate this guy is dangerous!!! now, he's just going to register it as an antique and get an antique license plate so he can drive it, he's at least 8 years removed from the last time he drove it as it was shipped to his youngest son out in California and he never took proper care of it and had it in storage for the past year, long story short, it needs (desperately needs) complete rebuild of front and rear suspensions and despite me and two other shops telling the owner this he still can't wrap his head around the fact the things wear out, to him, the car was NEVER driven enough (in the past ten years) to deteriorate so bad--ahh, but it has so, I'm done he wants to drive it fine drive it and when it breaks a trailing arm, or tie rod end, or the rear leaf spring, strut rod (take your pick) and it needs to be towed he will most certainly not be towing it back to me! I just hope he doesn't kill someone (or himself) driving this thing! but, some people have to learn the hard way I guess..............
...................Chris  >:(

Title: Re: Project '64
Post by 68-73-77 on May 8th, 2017 at 4:17am
post a picture of the car so I can steer clear :o
Alan [smiley=beer.gif]
In all seriousness I can say that cars that old are worn out probably from sitting than if they were driven monthly. All rubber is rotten & anything that needs grease or oil for lube is probably rusty or pitted. I would take out an insurance policy on this guy gotta be free money.

Title: Re: Project '64
Post by ve77er on Jun 27th, 2017 at 3:26am
unbelievable but true! the owner sprung for all new parts that are needed $1,325.00 but, I told him before, I'm done dealing with it and he is currently shopping garages--good luck with that one! I gave him two Corvette specialty shops that WILL redo the car with parts supplied so, we'll see. there's just no motivation for me to get involved any further, I did the initial safety inspection, I got the thing running again, I coordinated the new tires and installation and disposal of the old ones I have over $150 of my own money into this (two tanks of gas and a few small parts) and, I made a thorough list and actually ordered (reimbursed) all the necessary required parts so, the ball as they say is in his court.
..........................Chris  :)

Title: Re: Project '64
Post by 68-73-77 on Jun 27th, 2017 at 4:10am
I think you did the smart thing here. It takes a lot of labor to get these old cars in good shape again..the parts cost is minimal. I just spent around $800.00 dollars on your old 77 for a full frt end rebuild including a new alum radiator, but the labor would have been at least 20-25 plus hours & I seriously doubt most shops would have went into the detail I did.
Alan [smiley=beer.gif]

Title: Re: Project '64
Post by yellowjacket on Jun 28th, 2017 at 9:50pm

68-73 wrote on May 8th, 2017 at 4:17am:
post a picture of the car so I can steer clear :o
Alan [smiley=beer.gif]
In all seriousness I can say that cars that old are worn out probably from sitting than if they were driven monthly. All rubber is rotten & anything that needs grease or oil for lube is probably rusty or pitted.

That is what happened to the Corvette Mike sold me... it sat a few years in his mechanic garage and was neglected. I had so many problems, one thing after another and lots of $$$, I finally got sour and sold it. I will NEVER again buy a car that just sits and isn't driven.

Title: Re: Project '64
Post by ve77er on May 7th, 2018 at 12:15am
UPDATE, the Corvette is at a repair shop (one that I recommended to the owner--Corvette Paramedics in Mt Holly NJ) I have dealt with the Paramedics for over 35 years with every Corvette I have ever owned for parts the co-owners Ed Lieb and Ron Nowacki are Machinists by trade they started as a weekend warrior working out of a trailer in Ron's driveway over the years they have grown to one of the best repair and restoration shops in the area, I was happy to drive the 1964 to their shop, they are going to look the car over and give me a detailed repair estimate so I can pass on the information to the owner--I'm also glad it's (the car) not taking up space in the garage right now. again, More to follow!
...............Chris  [smiley=beer.gif]

Title: Re: Project '64
Post by 69Shark on May 7th, 2018 at 7:06am
Excellent!

Pictures?
Scott

Title: Re: Project '64
Post by ve77er on Aug 22nd, 2018 at 8:22pm
well, here we are at the end of August and the 1964 has been at Corvette Paramedics since May 4th!! I told them "no rush" but geez! anyway truth be told, they are an extremely busy shop and took this on as a favor to me, they finally got to the car last month the rear end is completely rebuilt, new rear brakes and drums, but they found some issues (not surprised) that they wanted to fix first before moving on to the front suspension but the owner wants his car back so I have to pull it, I think I just want to be done dealing with this car and him for a while.
                  Chris  [smiley=beer.gif]   

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