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Synthetic Oils and Lubes (Read 10828 times)
Nov 7th, 2007 at 11:28pm
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I am mostly a lurker here on the site, but I thought I would post a little info I have found out about a product produced by Amsoil.

I work for a Railroad, and we are constantly being vanned or taxied to trains. The company that vans us are doing a study on using Amsoil oil and gear lubes for their differentials. They have a mini van that has had no major issues while running amsoil for the last 3 years and the vehicle has over 650,000 miles on it.

Amsoil is in the middle of doing a test with GM and the Crew transport company by running gm recommended fluids in 3 vehicles and all amsoil in 3 more. While the tests are not complete as of this time, The 3, 2006 chevy suburbans with over 200,000 miles with amsoil have had no major engine wear problems unlike the the other 3 that have the GM approved fluids. What shocked me most was they change oil on the amsoil vehicles every 25k miles, although they change the filters every 6k miles.

I am in the midst of putting in the VBP front and rear monoleaf up-grades and will be using amsoil in my vette when I rebuild my rear end. Their website is http://www.amsoil.com/
 
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Reply #1 - Oct 16th, 2008 at 4:48am

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Ok, now a question. for a car that has been running non synthetic oil and to change over to a synthetic. Isn't the block, tranny or rear end already saturated with non synthetic oil? If this is the case , will changing over to a synthetic make a difference? Mind you I am not trying to argue simply looking to educate myself and I have thought of converting oer to synthetics but my mechanic has told me not to due to every thing being saturated with conventional oil.
 
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Reply #2 - Oct 16th, 2008 at 9:44am

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You can switch over with no problems & things do run cooler & with less wear. I've seen this myself in several cars.  I will be switching over per Adam to Amsoil as soon as I use up all my mobile 1. Already switched to Amsoil in several rears ends.  Your mechanic is wrong. The only time I would not switch is on an older high mileage vehicle. The syn oil will find a way to leak.
Alan Smiley
 
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Reply #3 - Oct 16th, 2008 at 2:06pm

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HERE ARE THE FACTS:

OLDER CARS RESPOND BETTER THAN NEWER CARS TO "AMSOIL"!

MANY TIMES OIL LEAKES ARE CURED, AND STOP LEAKING W/ "AMSOIL"

YOUR CAR WILL LAST LONGER, RUN COOLER, MAKE MORE POWER, HAVE LESS STRESS ON BATTERY AND STARTER, AND GET MUCH BETTER MILEAGE USING "AMSOIL"

I CHANGE MY OIL IN ALL MY VEHICLES AT 6 MONTHS OR 15000 MILES REGAURDLESS OF HOW I DRIVE THEM.  MY 1996 K2500HD 350 VORTEC W/ 4L80 TRANS, AND 4.10 GEARS W/ 33" TIRES,  HAS OVER 250000 MILES ON IT, AND STILL PULLS 14.5 MPG IN TOWN AND GETS 17.5 HIGHWAY.  I HAVE NEVER HAD ANY MAJOR ENGINE, TRANNY, OR T-CASE ISSUES.  I HAVE ADDED POSI TO THE REAR AXLE, AND ELECTRIC LOCKER TO THE FRONT.  I CHANGED THE DIFFERENTIAL BEARINGS AT THAT TIME, BUT THE GEARS ARE FACTORY ORIGINALS.


I HAVE BEEN AN "AMSOIL" DEALER FOR OVER 13 YEARS.  I HAVE SOLD IT TO NUMEROUS PEOPLE, WHO HAVE NEVER SWITCHED TO ANYTHING ELSE ONCE THEY TRY "AMSOIL".  

"AMSOIL" USES AMERICAN OIL BASE STOCKS, AND IS "MADE IN THE USA".  THE OWNER IS AN EX AIR-FORCE PILOT AND A TRUE PATRIOT.  HE BELIEVES IN BEING "GREEN", AND IS A HEALTH FANATIC TOO.

ALL FORUM MEMBER RECIEVE A DISCOUNT WHEN PURCHASING FROM ME.  JUST DROP ME AN E-MAIL, BE SURE TO TELL ME YOUR A FORUM MEMBER, AND I WILL FIRST GIVE YOU A QUOTE TO COMPARE TO OTHER SELLERS.  IF YOU PLACE AN ORDER, I SHIP ASAP, NORMALLY ANYONE IN THE LOWER 48 GETS THERE PRODUCT IN A COUPLE DAYS.

ADAM (AKA MONKEYWRENCH202)  dirtythundercustoms@core.com

http://www.lubedealer.com/adamwoodhams/

P.S.  ALAN,

AS ALWAYS, YOU ARE THE BEST!
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Reply #4 - Oct 16th, 2008 at 3:54pm

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I recently got an order from Adam,that allowed me to switch every fluid in my 84 El Camino Conquista over to Amsoil.I already use it in my Vettes rear end,& before I switched to an OD tranny,used in its TH350 tranny.Soon as I run out of Mobil 1 I use in my V6 Galant,I will switch that over,too. I was told though,NOT to use synthetic in its 4 spd.electronic tranny.Anyone concur or know of this?
 

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Reply #5 - Oct 16th, 2008 at 9:50pm

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MONKEYWRENCH202 wrote on Oct 16th, 2008 at 2:06pm:
HERE ARE THE FACTS:

OLDER CARS RESPOND BETTER THAN NEWER CARS TO "AMSOIL"!

MANY TIMES OIL LEAKES ARE CURED, AND STOP LEAKING W/ "AMSOIL"

YOUR CAR WILL LAST LONGER, RUN COOLER, MAKE MORE POWER, HAVE LESS STRESS ON BATTERY AND STARTER, AND GET MUCH BETTER MILEAGE USING "AMSOIL"

I CHANGE MY OIL IN ALL MY VEHICLES AT 6 MONTHS OR 15000 MILES REGAURDLESS OF HOW I DRIVE THEM.  MY 1996 K2500HD 350 VORTEC W/ 4L80 TRANS, AND 4.10 GEARS W/ 33" TIRES,  HAS OVER 250000 MILES ON IT, AND STILL PULLS 14.5 MPG IN TOWN AND GETS 17.5 HIGHWAY.  I HAVE NEVER HAD ANY MAJOR ENGINE, TRANNY, OR T-CASE ISSUES.  I HAVE ADDED POSI TO THE REAR AXLE, AND ELECTRIC LOCKER TO THE FRONT.  I CHANGED THE DIFFERENTIAL BEARINGS AT THAT TIME, BUT THE GEARS ARE FACTORY ORIGINALS.


I HAVE BEEN AN "AMSOIL" DEALER FOR OVER 13 YEARS.  I HAVE SOLD IT TO NUMEROUS PEOPLE, WHO HAVE NEVER SWITCHED TO ANYTHING ELSE ONCE THEY TRY "AMSOIL". 

"AMSOIL" USES AMERICAN OIL BASE STOCKS, AND IS "MADE IN THE USA".  THE OWNER IS AN EX AIR-FORCE PILOT AND A TRUE PATRIOT.  HE BELIEVES IN BEING "GREEN", AND IS A HEALTH FANATIC TOO.

ALL FORUM MEMBER RECIEVE A DISCOUNT WHEN PURCHASING FROM ME.  JUST DROP ME AN E-MAIL, BE SURE TO TELL ME YOUR A FORUM MEMBER, AND I WILL FIRST GIVE YOU A QUOTE TO COMPARE TO OTHER SELLERS.  IF YOU PLACE AN ORDER, I SHIP ASAP, NORMALLY ANYONE IN THE LOWER 48 GETS THERE PRODUCT IN A COUPLE DAYS.

ADAM (AKA MONKEYWRENCH202)  dirtythundercustoms@core.com

http://www.lubedealer.com/adamwoodhams/

P.S.  ALAN,

AS ALWAYS, YOU ARE THE BEST!
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Adam,
Whenever I sell my blue 77, I'll be ordering a case from you for yellowjacket. Email and tell me how much it would be to my zip code: 98404
 

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Reply #6 - Oct 17th, 2008 at 6:22am

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JACK,

I CAN GLADLY GIVE YOU A QUOTE, BUT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR 20W50 OIL FOR YELLOWJACKET?

ADAM
 
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Reply #7 - Oct 17th, 2008 at 8:19am

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MONKEYWRENCH202 wrote on Oct 17th, 2008 at 6:22am:
JACK,

I CAN GLADLY GIVE YOU A QUOTE, BUT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR 20W50 OIL FOR YELLOWJACKET?

ADAM

Whatever you recommend.  Cheesy
 

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Reply #8 - Oct 17th, 2008 at 8:56am

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Hey Adam.  We just bought a 2006 Gran Prix to use as a "grocery getter" and go to court car for Diane when the weather is not right for her to use one of the Vettes.  I was thinking about switching it over to synthetic oil of some kind.  I was looking at something a bit less expensive than the Mobil 1 I use in the 2002 Vette for the G.P. The G.P. has about 45,000 miles on it.  Could you tell me what would be the best choice for that car and send me a price for the oils that would be best for all 4 cars?? Also would a differant weight be used for the 2 1977 Vettes??  The blue one has a new GM 300 hp crate motor with about 4,000 on it and the yellow one that I bought from Chris has 64,000 on the original engine now. My 2002 Vette has 89,000 miles on it, yes I drive it a LOT!!!  Thanks

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Reply #9 - Oct 17th, 2008 at 9:04am

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THE PRICE OF MOBIL1 IS LOWER THAN "AMSOIL" FIRST OFF.

AS FOR WEIGHTS,  I AM A BIG AVICATE OF USING 0W30 "AMSOIL" IN DAILY DRIVERS NEWER THAN 1990.  THE VETTES ARE A DIFFERENT MATTER.  I ALWAYS RAN HEAVIER WIEGHTS IN MINE, AND WOULD SUGGEST THE SAME TO JACK AND ANYONE WHO LIKES TO "PLAY" WITH THE THROTTLE. 

"AMSOIL" 15W50 IS THE BEST OIL MADE FOR PERFORMANCE APPLICATIONS, BUT WORKS GREAT FOR CARBERATED OLDER CARS TOO.  MOST PEOPLE GET A FALSE IDEA ABOUT 15W50'S AND 20 W50S BEING THICK.  BUT SYNTHETICS DO NOT DO THIS, THEY STAY AT AN EASY FLOW RATE, BUT DO NOT BREAK DOWN UNDER STRESS.

I CAN QUOTE IT, BUT ITS AROUND $10.00 PER QUART.

ADAM
 
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Reply #10 - Oct 17th, 2008 at 10:07am

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It may be more per qt. but if it lasts for 15,000 miles then it should be about the same. The last gallon of Mobil 1 I bought was about $24 and it says it is good for 5,000 miles.  As far as miles goes, we have had the yellow 77 for just a week or 2 short of a year now and we have only put on about 1,800-2,000 miles in that time.  The blue 77 has had about 4,500 miles since we did the resto on it 2 1/2 years ago.  So if I were to put the amsoil in those 2 it should last 2 years+ at that rate??  The 02 and the G.P are both daily drivers but even so an oil change should last about a year or more??  Is it OK to leave it in that long?? Sorry for so many questions but with the hot driving condidtions down here in Florida for the daily drivers as well as the 2 77s being in the garage so much, I would like to have all 4 cars running on the syn. oil if possilbe.

Thanks again for your time and patience.  That SHOULD be all of the dumb questins I can think of for now.   Grin

Bob
 

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Reply #11 - Oct 17th, 2008 at 10:17am

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Here's how I,ve done it over the yrs. With regular oil 3000 miles or 3 months whichever comes first.  When I went to mobil 1 i go 4000 miles or 4 months , when I switch to Amsoil I will go 6000 miles or 6 months. I always use WIX filters on every oil change.
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Reply #12 - Oct 17th, 2008 at 10:23am

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THERE IS NO SUCH THING, AS A DUMB QUESTION!  DUMB ANSWERS, AND DUMB LOOKS ARE PLENTY, BUT I WILL TRY MY BEST! Grin

YOU ARE PERFECTLY FINE W/ LONG OIL DRAIN INTERVALS.  IN FACT, THE 0W30 I SPEAK OF IS DESIGNED TO RUN FOR 35000 MILES IN DAILY DRIVERS, AS LONG AS THE PROPER "AMSOIL" OIL FILTER IS USED.  IF USING A SHORTER LIFE FILTER, SUCH AS FRAM, AC DELCO, ECT, I WOULD STAY AT 15000 MILES.

THE OLDER VETTES, SHOULD BE FINE CHANGING THEM EVERY COUPLE YEARS, W/ OUT WORRY.  THIS IS HOW I HANDLE MY BIKES, IF I ONLY RIDE THEM 3000 MILES A YEAR, I JUST GO ANOTHER YEAR, AND KEEP AN EYE ON THE LEVELS, AND HOW CLEAN IT LOOKS.

YOUR TEMPS WILL MOST LIKELY DROP A BUNCH, AND MILLEAGE WILL IMPROVE TOO.

IF YOU LOOK AT THIS LINK, THERE IS A TON OF INFO TO LOOK AT, AND READ THE FACTS.

www.lubedealer.com/adamwoodhams

ADAM

P.S.  IGNORE THE PRICING, I WILL SELL IT FOR LESS TO FORUM MEMBERS, BUT IT DOES GIVE YOU AN IDEA, AS FOLKS CAN ORDER DIRECTLY USING THIS LINK.  IT GIVES ME CREDIT FOR THE SALES, WHEN LINKED THROUGH MY SITE.
 
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Reply #13 - Oct 17th, 2008 at 12:10pm

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I made this a "sticky"  Smiley
 

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Reply #14 - Oct 17th, 2008 at 12:45pm

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MONKEYWRENCH202 wrote on Oct 17th, 2008 at 10:23am:
IF YOU LOOK AT THIS LINK, THERE IS A TON OF INFO TO LOOK AT, AND READ THE FACTS.

www.lubedealer.com/adamwoodhams

ADAM

P.S.  IGNORE THE PRICING, I WILL SELL IT FOR LESS TO FORUM MEMBERS, BUT IT DOES GIVE YOU AN IDEA, AS FOLKS CAN ORDER DIRECTLY USING THIS LINK.  IT GIVES ME CREDIT FOR THE SALES, WHEN LINKED THROUGH MY SITE.

Looking at your Amsoil site,
https://www.amsoil.com/AmsoilLookups/vintagefilterlookup.aspx
the recommendation is for stock. Yellowjacket is far from stock. Shouldn't I be getting a different type?
 

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